THIEVES FOR ROBBERY HAVE THEIR AUTHORITY WHEN
JUDGES STEAL THEMSELVES.
William Shakspear
CPS HAS A ANTI FAMILY BIAS AND ARE TRAINED TO TARGET YOU CHILDREN THIS GUIDE IS ALL VERY WELL DOCUMENTED AND HAS BEEN USED AGAINST CPS
INNOCENT ACCUSED OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT
By Ray Thomas
THIS REPORT IS A SELF DEFENSE MANUAL FOR THE INNOCENT
We accept all CPS files sent to us to help families and thank the Parents who have already done so, you are creating change for families. If you win or lose your experience and case file will help us to build a case against CPS.
This is written for those who are innocent of child abuse. For whom no real proof exists that they are, indeed, child abusers. This report is designed to be a self-defense manual to help you resist the baying hounds of CPS and force them to abide by the law and the Constitution in dealing with you. I’ll tell you about many of the scams, schemes and cons they use to get you to give them permission to ignore your Constitutional rights, the patterns that you will find in their treatment of you and your children in their efforts to twist your every word and action to show guilt where none exists. I’ll also give you a (partial) list of the things they use to judge abuse, and some tips for your use in resisting their scams. It is hoped that if you are forewarned, you will be better able to stop them from raping you and your family the way they do about 80% of the others who are accused of child abuse.
IF YOU’RE GUILTY, STOP READING NOWBut if you’re guilty–and if you are, you know it–you might as well stop reading right here because this report will not help you avoid what is rightfully coming. No one hates a child abuser, particularly a child sexual abuser more than I do, and those who are guilty of it deserve what they get. But I still want those accused of child abuse, even the guilty, to get the same rights that are offered to murderers and other criminals, major or minor. That they be allowed to confront their accusers and be able to sue them for damages if they lie in their charges (One good description of a CPS snitch line is this: a 911 service that cannot distinguish between life-threatening crimes and littering). That child abuse, sexual or otherwise, be proved in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt before any action can be taken other than possibly the temporary removal of the children (only if there is ample evidence that abuse is actually taking place and the child is in real danger if left in the home).
And even in this case, I want the parent to have the right to an immediate hearing (and not a rubber stamp hearing to legalize kidnapping, which is how it is as this is written) to determine if the charges are real or simply the result of someone’s personal opinion, not backed up by any real evidence (with postponements kept to a minimum by court order, and no unsupervised questioning sessions allowed with the children at any time). That all questions of guilt be decided on the innocent until proven guilty standard used in all other courts, as directed by the Constitution. In short: I want the same rights granted to CPS victims as are granted to a rapist or a murderer. That’s it. No bias here in favor of the molester, as CPS would have you believe. But a definite bias in favor of everybody concerned obeying the law of the land and the Constitution.
Last, and maybe most important, I want the practice of billing the victims for the cost of foster care in cases where they’ve been proven innocent to be stopped. This practice adds insult to injury, and allows CPS to collect money for expenses incurred when they violate people’s Constitutional rights. To force victims to pay the victimizers for the cost of the victimization is an abomination. Worse yet, they’re getting laws passed in all states to create a database of deadbeat parents so they can permanently stigmatize those who refuse to pay this ransom by designating this money as legitimate child support. They even want to be able to keep such people from getting any kind of license, from driver’s licenses to professional licenses, and be able to take such licenses they do have away as well, all on the “bureaucratic designation” that they are a deadbeat parent–for refusal to pay the cost of their victimization.
HUGE UPSURGE IN FALSIFIED CHILD ABUSE REPORTS BY SOCIAL WORKERSUnder the watchwords “the best interests of the child,” 130,000 kids are taken from their parents each year by a system geared to act first and ask questions later. However, two-thirds of the 2.2 million reports of child maltreatment turned out to be unfounded. And of the substantiated reports, only 15 percent involved any serious risk to the child’s safety, according to Douglas Besharov, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and first director of the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. “It’s this 15 percent,” he concluded, “that need the kind of intervention the Krachts received but Lisa Steinberg didn’t: immediate removal from the home. [The Krachts represent a well-documented case of false accusation of child abuse and Lisa Steinberg was killed when she was not removed from the home. -RT] An atmosphere of well-justified concern for maltreated children has bred a monster that can traumatize both parents and kids, trampling their rights to a parent-child relationship.”
Dan Zegart wrote this in 1989, in an article in Ms. Magazine. But the figures are much higher today, mostly because of the incessant drumbeat of stories in the press instigated by power seekers in our government who wish to use the children in their quest to dominate the rest of us. People today are more aware than ever of just how easy it is to “lead Child Protective Services around by the nose” in falsely reporting child abuse. All it takes is an anonymous call to one of their many snitch lines to set the (CPS) hounds baying after both innocent and guilty people, and they don’t bother to make a distinction, in most cases. “If you’re reported, you must be guilty” in their lexicon. Prosecutors use child abuse cases as an easy route to higher office, since it’s much easier to convict someone of child abuse than of murder.The “standards of proof” are much lower. And they can easily trump up charges against their critics, since all it takes is the charge for CPS to start “baying after them.”
GOOD SAMARITAN LAWS
Child abuse has in recent years taken on a witch hunt atmosphere wherein all it takes is a simple anonymous telephone report to start the nightmare, both for innocent parents and their children. Good Samaritan laws (for the most part) completely protect everybody from retaliation even if they lied in their report for an ulterior motive. The same laws force health and child care professionals (anyone who deals regularly with children professionally) to report any suspicion of abuse to the children in their care. If they don’t, they face penalties which could range from reprimand to the loss of their license and financial ruin, even charges being filed against them. Even the children know how easy it is to nullify their parents by charging them with child abuse. They’re taught that in school. But what they don’t know is what such charges are going to mean for themselves, when they’re ripped from their families and placed in foster care where, figures prove, they are much more apt to be abused.
ANTI-FAMILY BIAS I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW CPS WANTS AND INTENDS TO SEPARATE AS MANY FAMILIES AS THEY CAN. DO NOT LISTEN TO CPS CALL THE FBI FIRST THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO STEAL YOUR CHILDREN THEY SIT IN THE OFFICE AND LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN I HAVE WITNESSED THIS. CALL THE FBI UNTIL WE GET CHANGE OVER AND OVER. AS GOD IS MY WITNESS THIS IS ON PURPOSE.THESE PEOPLE ARE ANGRY MONSTERS AND MUST BE FIRED There is a well-documented anti-family bias in the child protection industry and when CPS workers go after you, you are deemed guilty as soon as you’re reported. Never mind the proof. The fact that 60%-80% of child abuse charges today are unsubstantiated seems to be lost on them. They think they’re right, and they won’t hear otherwise.
Here I must say that I don’t believe every child protection worker to be a monster. There are many well-meaning, but unfortunately ill-trained individuals there who really want to do good. Unfortunately, they, themselves, have been brainwashed into believing that all parents are potential child-abusers and that they do not harm the children (they do) by taking them from the home. A large percentage of them however, are paranoid, and see sex offenders under every bed (or on top). Many are in the business only because they were themselves in the foster care system and many were abused there. They see a child sex offender in a man who changes his daughter’s diapers and while doing so, touches her privates. They see an abuser with every whack on the backside. Those people are sick.
MAKING A GOOD LIVING ON THE BACKS OF THE CHILDREN
“It’s time we started to recognize the self-serving nature of the various abuse crusades that get launched with ever-increasing regularity by that coalition of groups in our society: social workers, therapists, the media, the courts, the shelters, etc., which make their livings by exploiting, and oftentimes creating, family pathology.” This is a quote from Fidelity, February, 1985, page 33, on the “cottage industry” that has sprung up around child abuse, whose very reason for being is to make the problem more severe so as to enhance their bottom line at the expense of the family. The article further said: “It’s time to stop the funding of parasites who make their living by creating problems for themselves to solve. Those professionals who would become surrogate parents in the name of concern for the children do nothing more than guarantee future business for the therapeutic state. By attacking the family they create, willingly or not, a nation of patients ready to seek them out for treatment (And if CPS has its way, are forced to seek them out for treatment.).”
REASONABLE EFFORTS TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER
The federal Adoption Assistance and Child Welfare Act of 1980 requires that reasonable efforts be made to keep families together and that only children in real danger of maltreatment be placed in foster care. But, according to Mary Lee Allen, director of child welfare and mental health for the Children’s Defense Fund, there is considerable gap between theory and practice. In other words, they tell you they’re interested in keeping the kids at home, but are much more quick to take them than to leave them at home in almost all cases, because that’s where the money–and the power–is.and they are trained to believe family is the abusers and as ex foster kids that is easy to believe after CPS made sure their childhood was hell and all blamed on the parents they were stolen from. If you don’t think this is a conspiracy keep reading.
CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ARE TOO QUICK TO BELIEVE ABUSE
It has become a common theme for a spouse to accuse the other spouse of child abuse or child sexual abuse in order to gain an advantage in a divorce case. In fact, attorneys routinely advise them to do so, true or not. And this is not just in contested divorces. In many cases, both spouses are accusing each other of child abuse. In most cases it’s: “Lord forgive them for they know not what they do,” because once the CPS thugs get their hands on the kids, they just don’t want to give them up. They use every lying, deceitful trick in the book to keep them. They’ve been known, in many cases, to push for adoption for the children, even in cases where abuse cannot be proven. Neither parent then has any rights, even the one whose lies got it all started. False child abuse charges have become a valuable tool to be used in other conflicts as well, such as landlord-tenant disputes and even in auto accidents. It has become known as an easy way to hurt your opponent without cost to yourself and follows this same tactic to kidnap your kids. CPS willingly hurts them for you and you are completely protected from any but unlawful retaliation. I predict it will become a useful tool in many other areas in the future, too. Government has figured out how to destroy the family and according to government documents. (The Family is the number one threat to Government) this is insane but was the Bush agenda called agenda 21 and gave CPS a new lease on life to use the family for funding.
Think about all the insane things CPS does and the crazy arguments these workers come up with. Why would anyone want to hurt the family? This is the way they are trained and after being raised to believe family is bad in foster care, these people are like robots not even knowing what they are doing is wrong.
Another common theme is for CPS people to come in on a case where the parents have found evidence that someone else has abused one or more of their children, and they immediately accuse the parents.Then they proceed as if the parents were guilty. One famous story involved a couple whose child was the subject of flashing by a man who broke into her bedroom. CPS charged the father with it. They demanded he leave the home before the child could be returned, even though they couldn’t make a case in court. They were ready to go for revocation of parental authority in preparation to put the child up for adoption when the father caught the man breaking into the same window and apprehended him. The man was convicted of being the perpetrator both times. CPS was unmoved. They continued their quest until the judge ordered the child returned. Then they attempted to collect money for foster care.
CHILD ABUSE LAWS ARE SUBJECTIVE, NOT OBJECTIVE
Subjectivism insists that there are no absolutes, while Objectivism insists that there are. The hilarious thing about it is that both are making statemets of an absolute when they insist on their opposing philosophies. This doesn’t hurt the Objectivists, because they not only admit the existence of absolutes, it is a basic part of their philosophy. But the fact that the subjectivists’ very statement of principles negates not only their statement, but their entire philosophy as well, infuriates them, since their philosophy is a simple mechanism which, if accepted, relieves them of all responsibility and allows them to decide for themselves what laws mean. This gives them a lot of power and that’s what they want. Subjectivism is a philosophy most bureaucrats adhere to (whether they know it or not) because it’s a valuable tool for them.
Child abuse laws tend to be subjective because that gives the CPS workers license to decide for themselves just what constitutes abuse in all cases. That means they can make a dirty sock on the floor, or even the fact that a parent is a smoker into a full-blown abuse case at their whim. The courts back them up because the standard of evidence allowed in family court is not the same as in criminal court. In criminal court, the accused must be proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. In family court, the standard is simply by a preponderance of evidence. Hearsay evidence, the subjective judgement and the opinion of the CPS people are given much more weight than that of the defendant. The cards, in other words, are well and truly stacked in favor of CPS.
YOU’RE NEVER INNOCENT ACCORDING TO SOCIALIST WORKERS
If they can’t prove you’re guilty and if the court acquits you of abuse, their opinion is this: “Just because we couldn’t prove it does not make you innocent. This `not guilty’ verdict only means we couldn’t come up with enough evidence to prove your guilt.” In other words, you have been guilty since they first accused you, because they accused you, and even though the court has not convicted you, you are still guilty. You just can’t win with these people.
PATTERNS
Every bureaucracy has patterns in their operations. If you can figure out what these patterns are, you’re a lot closer to beating them than if you’re ignorant of them. Let’s look at some of the patterns used by child protective services workers:
- They’ll twist everything you say or do to indicate your guilt: If you refuse to let them in without a warrant, you’ve got something to hide. If you insist on your Constitutional rights, that’s an indication of guilt. If you refuse to say anything without your lawyer present, that’s another indication of guilt. In fact, just about anything you can do or say indicates your guilt in their minds. That’s a major pattern. The judge may not buy it, but then, he might. They often do. Many buy it because they’re expected to buy it.
- You’re guilty: We’ve already noted one of their patterns. You’re automatically guilty if they or someone else accuses you. Anything you do from that point on is evidence of guilt. They go in with a bias, since they are taught that every parent is a potential child abuser. Then it’s just a short step to do whatever they have to do to establish the parent’s guilt, including intimidation, lies, deceit, and even violation of their Constitutional rights.
- Your protestations of innocence are an indication of guilt: When you’re accused of anything, your first inclination is to claim your innocence. This is human nature, and in real life, has nothing to do with your guilt or innocence. But with CPS workers, the very fact that you protest your innocence is, to them, evidence of your guilt. This is one of the basic things they’re taught when they are training to become CPS workers. They’ve even got a clinical-sounding term for it: you’re “in denial.”
- Anger is an indication of guilt: If you get angry when they accuse you, that’s an indication of guilt. Never mind that accusations such as this would make a monk angry. Never mind that their supercilious, officious attitude is guaranteed to make you angry even if you’re innocent. To get angry means, to them, you’re guilty.
- Threaten to throw them out if they don’t leave and you’re guilty: Many times, they intimidate their way into your home or just con their way in. Then, when they make it evident that they’re collecting evidence of your guilt, and you ask them to leave, they insist that your request itself is an indication of guilt and make no effort to leave. Then when you order them out, and tell them that if they don’t leave, you’ll throw them out, it goes in their report. Now you’re marked down as “potentially violent.” Don’t threaten. Just tell them to leave and don’t say another word even if they try to get you to talk. Silence is one of the most powerful pressures there is, and it is non-violent. An attitude of standing still with your arms folded might help.
- Intimidation in place of a warrant: In most cases, the fact that they have no warrant, and are bound by the same Constitutional restrictions as are police means nothing to them. They are trained to use every con and scam there is to gain entry to your home without it. Once in, they use just about anything they see as evidence of child abuse. If there are dirty dishes in the sink, or if the child has a skinned knee from a normal childhood fall, you’re an abuser. Anything they see can be twisted into “evidence of abuse,” and they’re well trained to do the twisting. The list of things that can be used to establish child abuse is long, and completely subjective (see above for definition of subjective). They can twist just about anything to prove abuse to the point where they can snatch your kids and force you to ransom them by your actions, and with your money.
- Lies and deceit: They think nothing of telling you lies to gain entry into your home, and of using intimidation to convince you to sign papers that allow them to do things that the Constitution prevents. Once you’ve signed those papers, you’ve given up those rights. Never sign papers they demand you sign, even if they tell you that you must, without advice from (your own) attorney. And don’t let them recommend an attorney. Never believe anything a CPS worker tells you because they’re probably lying. They’re trained to lie in order to get around Constitutional restrictions. It’s a sorry thing to have to say, but it’s true. And it’s something basic that you must remember in order to deal with them.
- They impose their own values on their “clients”: In one case of which I have personal knowledge, the father attempted to deal with a tantrum during a supervised visit by ignoring the child and letting him cry. The social worker jumped in and told him he should cuddle the child. The fact that he refused to do so was put in his file and used against him later. That the foster parent agreed with the father didn’t seem to make any difference.
- Demands that you or your children undergo counseling: One of their best-known cons, and the most lucrative for all involved, is to force people accused (not convicted) of child abuse to undergo “counseling” as a means to get the charges dropped. They also demand you sign papers allowing them to put your children through counseling (“to help straighten out this situation, don’tcha know?”) Don’t buy it. The counseling sessions are little more than “star-chamber” questioning sessions to get the kids to say something–anything–against you, while getting you (or the government) to pay the bill. Many of their counselors have few, if any clients other than those referred by CPS agencies, and they know which side of their bread carries the butter. Counseling parents and children in child abuse cases is a lucrative cottage industry (One “patient” can be worth $10,000 to a “counselor” if they find abuse. If they find the wrong way they’ll be taken off the list). Some even kick back part of their fees to workers who refer a lot of business their way. [It’s a way for the worker to make some money, right? -RT]
- Intensive (star-chamber) long-term questioning of children: They have undisputed custody of your children after they snatch them from you, and you don’t know what they’re doing to them. You can’t even ask. In most cases, they take them regularly to sessions where they constantly subject them to questioning. They call it “counseling.” They ask questions such as: When your daddy put his hand on your penis (or vagina), did he rub it? Did it feel good? (It’s like a salesman’s closing question: any answer indicates your guilt.) Children just aren’t prepared to resist such expert questioning, and will eventually give an answer that can be used against the parent. These are questions small children shouldn’t even be aware of, let alone be asked by strangers. They describe sex acts the kids had never even heard of, and teach them to be sexually aware. (Never mind that a child being sexually aware is an indication of child abuse. Just who is abusing them, anyway?). They take them to hospitals and clinics and subject these frightened, impressionable children to strip-searches in order to humiliate and frighten them further. Where actual sexual abuse is practiced upon them (in one case a female doctor proudly described the fact that she actually stuck her finger into a child’s vagina and asked if the suspect put his in this far).In some cases, they subject them to “medical procedures” such as penile plethysmography, in which penis-shaped sensors are inserted into the girl’s vagina or a ring is placed around a boy’s penis while showing them government-created pornography. This is done to “learn what turns them on” [See my Comprehensive Report, “Target: Your Children” for more complete information on this, or the book, “Out of Control: Who is Watching Our Child Protection Agencies?” By Brenda Scott, available from most VOCAL groups or can be ordered by most bookstores -RT]. They continue this for months, even years, suggesting things that you might have done to them time after time, until finally the kids wear down and start telling them what they think they want to hear, just to make it stop. Then they immediately videotape the child saying those things and use it in court, in an attempt to bring criminal charges against the parent. Sometimes they just “testify” to what the child has supposedlysaid and the courts routinely admit this hearsay “testimony.”They tell them such things as: “If you say they did something to you, they’ll get off a lot easier. They’ll just have to take a few parenting classes, and you can go home. But if you don’t, they may have to go to jail for a long time and you won’t ever be able to go home.” If you were an impressionable young child, told something like this by an all-powerful government agent, what would you do? Remain silent while your parents go to jail or make something up to make it easier on them? When they question the parents, they tell them things like: “If you admit your guilt, you’ll get your child back immediately and you’ll only have to go to a few parenting classes. But if you stick to your story, you could lose her for 6 months, or permanently.” (Women’s Day, May 6, 1986, page 42)
- Strip-search the child: These strip searches are outside of those done in the clinical atmosphere when someone is accused. In these, they come to the child’s school, without parent’s knowledge or consent. They strip and fondle these small, frightened children by force, and ask them sexual questions. Their excuse here is that they are searching for signs of sexual or child abuse (without any kind of probable cause, they go on a fishing expedition.) But part of the reason for doing this is to subject the child to the indignity of such a search, and the attendant manipulation of their genitals, as part of the breaking them down process to get them to accuse their parents. In some places this gets them (CPS) in trouble. In others, not: such as the Texas case in which a judge ruled that “when you drop your kids off at school, you give up all rights to control what happens to them there.” This judge is obviously constitutionally ignorant, and dangerous. There’s another reason why some workers do this: some of them are latent pedophiles themselves. What better way to get to fondle children’s genitals, or watch while someone else does so, (without worrying about criminal charges) than to be the one who would file those charges in the first place?
- Use an existing medical problem to prove abuse: In the Robin and Bob Johnson case in 1985, (Woman’s Day, May 6, 1986, page 30) they forced their way into the Johnson’s house without a warrant and took the child based on a single report by a physician in a hospital (who was afraid that if he didn’t report it, he would be in trouble, but who would be protected from all [legal] repercussions [by the “Good Samaritan” Laws -RT] if he did) that the child had a vaginal discharge due to Gardnerella vaginalis, which he thought could be sexually transmitted. The county’s special doctor (who earned $10,000.00 a month or more doing such work for the county) agreed, and further said he found that the girl had a dilated hymeneal ring.A second lab found otherwise. That it was not Gardnerella vaginalis, but in fact was Hemophilia influenza, a common bacterium for which there is no evidence of sexual transmission. (The original lab was already under suspicion for sloppy lab practices, and their findings should not be given the weight of evidence, especially in the light of the other findings.) In addition, five other physicians disagreed with the county-paid doctor’s dilated hymeneal ring finding. In spite of this evidence, CPS pursued the Johnson case to the bitter end. Even when ordered to return the children by the court, they dragged their feet and even then kept the Johnsons listed in the state child abuser database.
- Use plea bargain offers to get people to testify against each other and plead guilty even when they’re innocent: In the Jordan, Minnesota sex ring case, (Fidelity, February, 1985, page 30) which was, as usual, based solely on the unsupported word of children who had been questioned over long periods of time, defendant Robert Bentz said that after significantly increasing the number of (unprovable) charges against him, prosecutor Kathleen Morris offered to dismiss most of them and reduce his possible forty-year prison sentence to ten. Then no jail, just treatment, then all charges dropped if he and his wife would just testify against others in the case. At that time, all they had was the unsupported word of intimidated children, and they needed some adult testimony. Extorting it from others who are under false charges is their way of getting it.
- Retaliate by billing successful former victims for foster care costs: When you win, you’re still not home free because they commonly bill their victims for the cost of their victimization. This allows them to thumb their noses at those who have beaten them. (See deadbeat parent laws, elsewhere in this report.)
- Trump-up charges against their critics: Woe unto you if you dare to criticize what they’re doing in any way. They’ll find something to charge you with, even if they can’t prove it. Such charges have a way of discrediting people who are hurting their cause so they’re common. I expect them to trump up some charges against me one of these days, because I intend to severely hurt their cause. I hope they do so I can hurt it some more.
PUNISH THEM OR DON’T PUNISH THEM AND YOU’RE WRONG
Child Protection authorities go out of their way to stop parents from punishing their children in any effective way, then they make laws punishing the parents when those children get into trouble. The children learn quickly, too. In many cases, children who report child abuse are doing so in order to flout parental authority. In the Paul and Jenny Kracht case (Ms. Magazine, June, 1989, page 78), the child who made the charge had warned his father on several occasions that if he made him go to school, he’d be sorry. Well, he’s sorry now. And so is his son, who didn’t know what kind of a buzzsaw he was turning loose on his family
Part 2
CHILDREN MORE APT TO BE ABUSED IN FOSTER HOMES THAN AT HOME
Figures now show that children are much more liable to be abused, physically and sexually, in foster homes than in their own homes. Many (not all) foster parents are just in it for the money, since each child is worth $300 to $400 or more a month to them. In many cases, foster care is what makes the difference for the foster parents between paying the rent or not. Between having enough food on the table or going hungry. Some are really making a lot of money (some foster parents make thousands of dollars a month while “caring for” large numbers of children). And the zeal the CPS workers show in investigating real parents is not shown when investigating new foster parents. Nor do they show the same amount of zeal in investigating reports of abuse in foster homes as they do in the children’s’ real family (probably because the foster home is part of the system).Don’t mistake what I’m saying here. I’m not trying to say that all foster parents are abusers. Not at all. Most are good people. But there are too many who either abuse the children themselves, or allow other children in the foster home to do so. It is a problem that CPS does not, under any circumstances, want to confront because it destroys their entire thesis that children are safer in foster care. If children can be abused in foster care and are even more liable to be, then what’s the point in putting them there?
END THE WITCH HUNTIn his special report in Ms. Magazine in June, 1989, writer Dan Zegart noted this: “Many parents compare the experience of being falsely accused of child abuse — the lack of legal safeguards, the terrible stigma of the accusation — to a witch hunt. In the real witch trials of seventeenth-century Salem, the little girls making accusations were finally silenced when they began to ensnare prominent citizens of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, including Lady Phips, wife of the governor. In The Devil in Massachusetts, Marion Starkey wrote that in the final stages of witch-hunt fever “no degree of eminence ensured one against accusation.” Similarly, the child welfare system may defy reform as long as only the poor suffer. It may well be that the entanglement of increasing numbers of the more visible and vocal middle class (who can afford lawyers and private detectives) in the web of the system will finally bring a change, which could account for the rise of Victims of Child Abuse Laws (VOCAL) and other such organizations in the United States. Indeed, there are every day new organizations and Internet Discussion Lists popping up to oppose them. Figures show that early on, most victims of child abuse laws were, indeed, the poor. But they also show that more and more they include the middle class and even the rich. People who aren’t so easily intimidated by bureaucrats and many of whom have not only the will, but the money to cause these depredations to come to a stop (for themselves, at least).
HOW TO BEAT THEMI know it seems as if they have all the laws on their side, and it is fruitless to try to beat them. But that’s wrong. Whether or not they accept it, CPS workers are subject to the same Constitutional limitations as the rest of us. That’s why they rely on intimidation, lies, and conditioning to get around that. If they could really flout the Constitution, they’d just do it — without attempting to intimidate you into signing permission for them to do what they do. So let’s look at ways and means to force them to abide by the Constitutional limitations just as police must do in confronting a rapist or a murderer, simply by forearming you to resist their intimidation:
- Live an exemplary life: The first, and most important thing to do to keep CPS out of your life is very simple: don’t give them a real reason to accuse you of child abuse. Treat your children with dignity and fairness. If you use corporal punishment, don’t ever do it in anger, and certainly not in public. Under all circumstances, don’t overdo it. And for heaven’s sake don’t tell a social worker you use it because they think even something as innocuous as a swat on the bottom is child abuse. Instill good values in your children Then when they begin to grow up, allow them to make their own decisions in many cases where other parents would tighten down in an effort to keep them safe. At some point, you must let go, and it should be after teaching them, by example, the proper values — values that you use to guide your life, not those prejudicial values social workers insist upon foisting on their charges.
- Don’t ask the government, welfare department, or CPS for help: Even if you have to work somewhere for minimum wage. Whenever you make yourself dependent upon the government, the government extracts a price: your obedience to their increased control over what you may do, both with respect to yourself, but in this case more importantly, over what you may do with respect to your children. A Rainbow Coalition (Jesse Jackson) promotion recently pushed books that told you how to tap into just about every imaginable government “giveaway” program so Uncle Sam would give you food stamps, and even pay for your home. They’ve even come up with a program to have the government pay for two years of college. But when you look at these programs, you’ll soon see the price. When you sign up you’ll soon pay it. If you sign up for any of these programs, part of what you’re signing is to give them permission to come into your home and spy on you to see if you are abusing your children. A social worker on a mission can find child abuse anywhere under the subjective definitions in the law. Don’t let them in. Don’t sign up.
- Avoid Parents As Teachers (PAT) or its clones like the plague: Most states have programs like the PAT program (under the federal government’s Goals 2000 scam) that claim to screen potentially disadvantaged children so as to offer assistance to assure that they will have the same opportunity to succeed as their wealthier classmates (the old class envy con again). This may sound good, but if you examine it, you’ll find it’s just one more invasive device used by the looters in government to get you to sign up and give permission for them to snoop in your home, looking for evidence of child abuse. A home visitor, sometimes called a parent educator, but who may be called just about anything under the clone operations, comes to your home frequently, ostensibly to help the family apply for government assistance (the carrot) they may need. While there they tell them what kind of punishment is allowed to be used on the children (the stick). They also continuously inspect the home and the children’s environment for evidence of child abuse. And be assured, when they find something, like a dirty sock on the floor, or a scraped knee on your child, they’ll bring charges. That’s what they’re there for. They receive extensive training in how to “recognize possibilities” (their term for finding abuse) and ways to subtly question you and your defenseless children to learn things that are none of their business. They’re looking for child abuse. That’s their mission. And they mostly find it, even if they have to twist things to create it.Naturally, they insist (even though they can’t enforce it) that your children attend public schools, rather than private, so they can more easily monitor them. In some states, all participating children are listed in their computers as being at risk, which gives CPS workers ready access to them at all times. If they find your child to have behavior problems, (by their subjective definition) they’ll recommend medical and/or psychiatric treatment, and give you a list of CPS approved practitioners (the rope). Never choose from this list. They’re biased toward abuse. If you refuse to accept their recommendations, they can, and will, take your children from you and accuse you of child abuse. Let your attorney advise you. They discourage you from getting outside opinions or consulting an attorney (which is why you should be sure to do so). Don’t allow them in your home.
RISK FACTORSSome of the “risk factors” they use to snag their victims are these:
- Illness or handicapping condition at birth: (subjective) they define it;
- Signs of “failure to thrive”: (this is the catch-all under which they rope in most of their victims);
- Delay in any area of development: (very subjective);
- Parent’s inability to cope with a child’s inappropriate behavior: (subjective again: what is inappropriate and what constitutes inability to cope?);
- Low functioning parent, due to limited ability or illness: (blindness and/or deafness has been used);
- Parent’s inability to connect with, or relate to the child: (subjective: what is relating?);
- Overindulgence: spoiling the child (this is abuse?) and underindulgence: not giving the child enough love: (again subjective: what is enough love?);
- Low level of verbal response with the child: (what does this mean?);
- Negative or hostile behavior toward child: (well, some of them should be real);
- Undue stress that adversely affects family functioning: (subjective: what is undue stress and what constitutes adversely affecting family functioning? For that matter, what is family functioning? Who gets to define these terms?);
- Indication of child abuse: ( Subjective: what is the definition of that? Who defines it?);
- Other: (leaving open the definition for a multitude of CPS sins).
Don’t let them intimidate you into participating in this scam. There is no law (yet) forcing you to do so, no matter what they tell you. In fact, you ought to become active in exposing this scam to as many people as possible.
If you wish to teach your children yourself (home schooling is still legal, although it does make you a target), you should contact the Home School Legal Defense Association, Box 159, Paeonian Springs, VA 22129. They can help a lot in both preparing you for resistance, and in defending you if CPS tries to go after you. The looters hate home schooling because it takes children out of the public schools, which they control, and returns that control to their parents. Control of the child and what they are allowed to teach them is the purpose oF the entire charade of “protecting the children.”
SYMPTOMS OF CHILD ABUSEThere are any number of “symptoms of child abuse,” and most of them are, as expected, subjective, leaving the power to decide what is child abuse in the uncontrolled hands of the worker. Each state has a different list that includes most of the ones I will list here, although some don’t use some of them, and others have some I’ve not listed:
- Chronically unkempt appearance — or overly neat appearance: (As usual, you can’t win with these people. Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t);
- Child is too loud or talkative — or is too shy: (Same comment as above);
- Low self-esteem — or agressive behavior: (Do you see a pattern developing here? You just can’t win);
- Reluctance to participate in sports: (I didn’t participate in sports when I was a child because I was bored by them. Still am. How does that make me abused?);
- Any fractures, burns, bruises, cuts, welts, or bite marks: (Never mind that growing up is a dangerous thing to do. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a child who didn’t naturally collect all of the above in his or her natural playtime without help from adults. But this is still used as an “unerring symptom” that child abuse is present);
- Sexual knowledge or acting out above child’s maturity level: (Makes you wonder when they exhibit increased sexual knowledge and act above their maturity level after being questioned for months, even years, by CPS, or even during a CPS school strip session, doesn’t it? Again I ask: Just who is abusing these children? It’s interesting to note that I learned most of what I knew at that time about sex in school, and it wasn’t from the teachers. So why does it have to be a symptom of child abuse, all by itself?);
- Pain or itching, bleeding or bruises in or around genitals: (This is something that should always be checked out because it could really be a symptom of child abuse. But CPS workers routinely assume abuse when such things are present, without considering the fact that there are many clinical conditions that can also create them);
- Constant hunger or fatigue: (Which could be abuse, or it may be an economic or medical problem caused by poverty. Since the vast majority of their victims are in poverty, it’s not surprising they see a lot of this);
- Lack of supervision: (This one is real. If young children are found to be left alone for long periods, something should definitely be done, although not necessarily immediate removal of the children. Unfortunately, CPS officials will come down on you like a ton of bricks at the slightest suggestion of this, and without waiting for proof. And never leave your children alone in a car, even for a few seconds. This is one of their favorite reasons for snatching your children);
- Delayed physical, emotional, or intellectual behavior: (Again, this is a very subjective judgement. All children don’t develop on the same schedule, and there are often clinical reasons for them to suffer from delayed development. This should be investigated, but is not necessarily an indication that the children are in immediate danger, nor is it a reason for immediate removal from the home. Unfortunately, CPS uses it that way);
- Chronic lateness on the part of the parent: (This one is a bit much. What is chronic? One time? Two? Who defines chronic?);
- Chronic health problems, failure to promptly repair broken or outdated glasses, failure to promptly meet the dental needs of the child: (Again, a problem of economics in many cases, not of abuse. When abuse is actually proven, action should definitely be taken. But what action? CPS is usually too quick to take punitive action without looking at the economics of the situation);
- Illness or death of a parent: Their claim here is that the surviving parent may become physically or sexually abusive as a result of the stress. What they routinely ignore is that most often it doesn’t happen. This is punishing people for what MIGHT happen);
- Family keeps to itself and doesn’t participate in the community: (Oh, please! Wanting to keep to yourself now constitutes child abuse? Guess I’ve been an abuser all my life then, because I’m that way. But none of my children were ever abused. Furthermore, I’ve never even been suspected of abuse, even though I lost two children to CPS thirty years or so ago after they failed to convict my former wife of abuse. This particular symptom is not only subjective, it is stupid, and it’s beyond belief that someone should actually take it seriously. All it represents is society’s way to penalize people for not doing it their way.);
- Presence of a stepfather: (Again, I was a stepfather to many children, and not one of them was ever abused. By the way: what’s the difference between a stepfather and a foster father, anyway?)
- An untidy house: (Many people aren’t good housekeepers. Naturally, an extreme case of lousy housekeeping, resulting in a health hazard, should be investigated. But again, CPS uses such a minor thing as a sock on the floor or some dishes in the sink in an otherwise generally clean and neat home to trigger their abuse charges);
- Pulling a child out of school to teach them at home: (Home schooling is still legal in this country, and may be the only way left to keep your kids from being taught values in direct opposition to those you live by, and which you want to teach to your children. But they want all children to go to public school so they can monitor them, and at the same time condition them. So home schooling is, to them, without any basis in legality, a symptom of child abuse);
- Sleeping in a parent’s bed: (CPS workers are probably the most filthy-minded people in the word because they use any instance of a child sleeping in a parent’s bed as evidence of sexual abuse. Never mind that children often ask to sleep with parents after a nightmare, and no sexual intent is even thought of by the parent, just by CPS.)
WHEN THEY COME AFTER YOUWhen the Child Protective Service comes to your door, take it seriously. Never think that it can’t happen to you because you’re a good parent. It can, and has happened to millions of good parents. Being a good parent is an aberration to a CPS agent. They’re taught that all parents are “potential” child abusers and that if any of the symptoms are present, it’s better to “err on the side of caution” and take the children. They’re also taught to do anything, say anything, lie, con, and swindle to get into the house to question the children and the parents.
- Be polite, even if you’re incensed: Their insufferable, insidious, condescending attitude will make you angry. It is designed to do so to allow them to write in their report: “Subject exhibits latent violence and is uncooperative.” Strike one. That’s part of the scam.
- Don’t allow them into your home without a proper warrant: They will lie, intimidate, and attempt to con their way into your home, but don’t allow it. Unless they have a properly issued warrant, signed by a judge, based on sworn testimony by a named person, they have no right to enter your home — unless they can pony up a possible danger to the child. Be polite while refusing entry. There’s nothing a CPS worker likes more than for you to show anger and, especially, curse them. They are usually accompanied by policemen, some of whom will push their way in. If this happens, you may sue each person involved personally (police officers and all authority figures are personally liable for damages when they exceed their lawful authority and exceeding their authority is not protected by the Good Samaritan laws) not for charging you, but for forcing their way in. Don’t get beat up trying top stop them in this case. Sue them later. You can probably use the money.Remember, case law has held that if you invite them into your home, you give up your right to be safe from search and seizure. Don’t let them in! Make them force it.
- Don’t sign anything: They will try to get you to sign papers, “just to get this sorted out, don’tcha know,” but don’t fall into their trap. The only reason for you to have to sign anything is for you to sign away your rights. Politely refuse to sign anything until your attorney has seen it and advises you to do so. And suspect your attorney’s advice if CPS recommended him.
- Don’t answer any questions without (your) lawyer being present: CPS workers will take this as an indication of guilt, but that’s OK. They twist everything you do or say into an indication of guilt in their minds. But if you allow them to ask you questions without a lawyer present, you’ve given up your right to remain silent.
- Do allow them to see the children through the window to assure them they’re OK: To reduce the possibility that they’ll testify that you kept them from seeing the children because they were abused, bring the children to a front window and let them see them.
- Do take the children to your own doctor as soon as possible: The next thing to do is take the children to your own doctor and have them examined to show that no abuse, sexual or otherwise, has occurred. Then have the doctor write a report on his findings and give a copy of it to CPS. If they have decided to charge you anyway, they will reject it and insist on their own examination, which, once they have taken the children they may do, and you can’t stop it. But your original doctor’s examination can be an effective counterpoint if their doctor says abuse has occurred, which they often do. They know who pays them for the right finding.
- Don’t believe anything they tell you: CPS workers are trained in all the best ways to con and scam you into doing what they want you to do. They’re experts at it. Their training spends a lot more time on this than it does on what actually constitutes child abuse. They’re subjected to months, even years of conditioning and brainwashing themselves, disguised as training. Many are not even aware they’re running a con on you. They think what they do is necessary to get child abusers off the street. Many are good people who really do care about the welfare of the children. It is the people in charge who have the ulterior motive to take complete control over your children for their nefarious purposes. But the result is the same. They lie.
- Don’t allow unsupervised interviews with the children: Unsupervised interviews with your children are little more than conditioning sessions where CPS workers and their captive counselors use questioning methods that would not be allowed to be used against a murderer, much less against a frightened and impressionable child. Your children just aren’t prepared to withstand such leading questioning, which is designed to get something on you. They con them into believing that you’re already in big trouble, and you can be saved if the children will just say you did something so they can go home. After children have been taken, there’s nothing you can do to stop these unsupervised interviews that will take place over a period of months, even years, until your children may finally break down and tell them what they want to hear, just to make it stop. But if you stop them from doing it in the beginning, there is a chance that charges will never be filed and they will not be taken from you.
- Don’t allow them to physically examine the child without your presence, or your lawyer’s presence: Never allow them uncontrolled access to your children as long as they are in your custody. If a court orders a physical examination (while you still have custody), insist on either being present yourself, or have your attorney present to protect your, and your children’s interests (they won’t be able to put their finger into your child’s vagina to illustrate what they want her to say). In addition, you should try to videotape all sessions or get a court order forcing them to do so, with copies to be available to you.
- Don’t allow them to come to your home later for an interview: Allowing them to enter later also forfeits your right to be safe from search and seizure. And you can be sure that a sharp-eyed CPS worker will be able to find something they can twist to incriminate you. If interviews are required, insist that they be at the CPS office, or better still, at your attorney’s office (that way they can’t just take them while you’re there).
- Tape record all conversations with CPS workers and others involved: To keep an accurate record of events, plus to have proof of any threats made by CPS workers or counselors, always tape record all conversations with them, either in person or by phone (there’s an inexpensive attachment for your phone available at any electronics store, or Radio Shack). Some states restrict your right to tape conversations, so check your state laws. In states that allow secret taping if one of the parties to the tape knows, you can either let them know they’re being taped, or not, at your wish. But in states where notification is required, you should place the tape recorder in full view in personal interviews, and make it a point to advise them they’re being taped at the beginning of every phone call. In this day and age, where there’s almost a videotape camera in every home, videotapes of proceedings can also help. Make a record. Then they can’t deny their violation of your rights (Personally, I would make sure they knew they were being taped, even if the law doesn’t require it).
- Keep a journal: The same applies to keeping a journal. If you keep a detailed chronological (day-to-day) journal of events, showing dates, times, quotes, reference to audiotapes and videotapes, etc., they won’t be able to get away with lying when they say they notified you of a hearing when they didn’t (one of their favorite ploys, and the one that beat me 30 years ago). The very existence of such a journal (and you should definitely let them know you’re keeping it) will tend to keep them somewhat more honest, or at least make it more difficult for them to scam you.
- Never accept a plea bargain if you’re innocent: One of their basic patterns is to pile charge upon charge, knowing they can’t make most of them stick, including the ones they hope will stick, so they can tell you all about all the long years you will spend in prison if you don’t accept the plea bargain they’re offering you. You’re sitting there facing maybe 50 years in prison and they’re offering you little or no time if you just confess. It’s a tired old con, people. If they had any kind of a strong case, you’d never see them until it was court time. I don’t care how good their plea bargain sounds, if you’re innocent, don’t fall for it. That’s how they get most of the convictions they do get of innocent people. They make it look as bad as possible, then get you to plead guilty, which involves an admission of guilt. or plead no contest, which allows them to still treat you as guilty.
- Hire a private investigator if you can afford it: I know that most of the people they go after are the poor. They’re easier targets. But one of the factors they forget as they move up the ladder and start charging more and more middle-class people is that these people aren’t nearly as likely to buy their con. They are much more resistant to being intimidated because they aren’t government wards. And they have more money for such things as lawyers and private investigators. If you do, by all means hire one to investigate everybody involved, especially the worker, the counselors (especially the counselors), the guardian ad litem, the foster parents who have your child, etc. You’ll be surprised how much evidence of naked bias you’ll find in such an investigation. It’s legal, and it’s your right. If you find something, by all means use it.
- Don’t willingly surrender the children: Don’t ever willingly surrender the children, as the ex-wife of one person I have personal experience with did, right after she took them from her husband (at their school), who had custody. To do so gives them the whip hand. Anything you can do to keep the children out of their hands stops them from being able to hold them for ransom.
- Don’t do anything that puts you under the control of CPS: Don’t willingly move out of the home on CPS demand, or do anything that puts the family under CPS control (see don’t sign anything, above). When they get control, they go wild.
- Get in contact with the closest Victims of Child Abuse Laws (VOCAL) office: VOCAL is now in most states, and can help you in many ways, from support groups and lists of lawyers who have experience in fighting these people, to information you won’t find elsewhere to help you keep them at bay.
- Fight them, tooth and nail: Don’t ever give up. One of my favorite pictures is of a heron who is trying to swallow a frog head-first while the frog has his “hands” firmly around the heron’s throat. That, for me, is the picture I want to convey to you. Don’t ever give up your quest to keep, or regain your children from these vicious and evil people who have a demonstrated anti-family bias. True, many CPS workers are honestly trying to do the best they can for the children, and there is still a lot of child abuse for them to work on. But their incessant pursuit of demonstrably innocent families takes money and manpower away from their ability to pursue real child abusers.Over recent years, they’ve been actively advertising for child abuse reports and, predictably, the number of reports they receive has increased many-fold. But the problem here is that up to 80% of the reports (by their own figures) they receive today are unsubstantiated, and of the about 20% of substantiated reports they get, only a very small number require immediate intervention. These are the ones they should be spending their time on, but they can’t pick them out of the millions of false reports and it’s taking all the money and manpower they have, just to keep up with new false reports.So the real abused children suffer while their champions look elsewhere.
RACINE – He was in charge of investigating cases for child protective services in Racine County, but Todd O’Brien has been accused of falsifying documents that could have put hundreds of children at risk.
O'Brien pleaded not guilty in a Racine County courtroom to six charges of falsifying documents. His former employer, the Racine County Human Services Department, is in the middle of reviewing his entire case load. The trust O'Brien allegedly fabricated may take years to repair. "This is a combination of a white collar matter and a typical criminal investigation," said District Attorney Michael Nieskes. O'Brien, who is 37 and from Franklin, was in charge of investigating child abuse and neglect cases. But instead of investigating, he allegedly marked the cases as "unsubstantiated." He has since been fired, and Racine County Human Services is reviewing about 250 of O'Brien's cases. Neither O'Brien nor the people he was with in court would talk to us. Officials with Human Services would not comment about the internal investigation or what specifically they're doing to make sure this doesn't happen again, but they say they're taking this situation very seriously. So are prosecutors. "Our fear is that someone will continue to be victimized or was victimized further," said Nieskes. O'Brien is scheduled to return to court next month.
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Dcf Caseworker Pleads Guilty
September 21, 2002
BARTOW — A Department of Children & Families caseworker fired after the death of a toddler pleaded guilty Friday to falsifying records in the case. Erica Jones was sentenced to three years’ probation and is prohibited from working in any field involving children or the elderly. Jones had been assigned to investigate allegations that 2-year-old Alfredo Montez was being abused. She was arrested and fired after falsifying paperwork saying she had visited Alfredo on July 1, the day he was slain.
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Former case worker accused of falsifying child-welfare records
By Gary Taylor, Orlando Sentinel | March 15, 2010
A former employee of a company that contracted with the state Department of Children and Families faces charges that he falsified records, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said today. Damion Hall, 29, of Port Orange, was arrested Sunday, accused of five counts of falsification of records and four counts of forgery, the FDLE said. Hall previously worked as a case manager for Community Partnership for Children, a community agency under contract with DCF, officials said.
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Altering Records Could Be A Felony
By Karla Schuster, Florida Correspondent | May 4, 2002
TALLAHASSEE — State lawmakers moved quickly to stiffen criminal penalties for falsifying records in child-welfare cases Friday, as the governor ordered Florida’s top child-welfare official to Miami to aid in the investigation of a missing girl whose disappearance went undetected for more than a year. In a unanimous vote, the House passed a bill that would make it a felony for any state worker or private contractor hired by the state to alter, destroy or falsify records in a child-welfare or elder-abuse case.
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Dcf Caseworker Pleads Guilty
September 21, 2002
BARTOW — A Department of Children & Families caseworker fired after the death of a toddler pleaded guilty Friday to falsifying records in the case. Erica Jones was sentenced to three years’ probation and is prohibited from working in any field involving children or the elderly. Jones had been assigned to investigate allegations that 2-year-old Alfredo Montez was being abused. She was arrested and fired after falsifying paperwork saying she had visited Alfredo on July 1, the day he was slain.
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Records About Kids May Grow Safer
By Karla Schuster and Mark Hollis, Tallahassee Bureau | May 8, 2002
TALLAHASSEE — A Senate panel Tuesday endorsed a plan to stiffen the penalty for falsifying records in child-welfare cases, promising the new law would cover all state workers, including top administrators who order or condone altering documents. Spurred by the case of a Miami girl in foster care whose disappearance went undetected by the state for 15 months, the Senate Criminal Justice Committee unanimously approved a bill making it a felony to alter or destroy records related to anyone in state custody, from children to the elderly.
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Dcf Investigator Arrested
December 9, 2004
PENSACOLA — Children may have suffered abuse because a former state child-protective investigator allegedly failed to check out complaints and then falsified reports and destroyed records to cover her tracks, a prosecutor said Wednesday. No deaths or serious physical injuries, however, have been confirmed so far in connection with 80 criminal charges against Allison Harris, said Assistant State Attorney Russell Edgar. Harris, 33, was being held at the Escambia County Jail with bail set at $10,000 after her arrest earlier Wednesday on eight counts of child neglect, 18 of official misconduct and 54 of falsifying public records
Part 3
YOU CAN SUE THEM FOR DAMAGES!
I chose this point to emphasize and repeat last, because it’s one of the most important. The so-called Good Samaritan laws may prevent you from suing either the CPS worker or others involved in your nightmare for creating the nightmare. But you can sue them for demonstrably violating your Constitutional rights. If a cop forces his way into your home in a fit of misplaced zeal, he can be sued personally for damages. A little-known fact is that a police officer or other person in authority is personally liable for damages if he or she has violated your Constitutional rights. If a CPS worker ponies-up a case by stretching some minor problem into an excuse to take your children, often you can sue them in courts they don’t control and get damages if the court doesn’t agree with the worker’s subjective judgement of what constitutes abuse. Some policemen, and most bureaucrats think that the end justifies the means. If they think you’re an abuser, they’re already mad at you. So don’t give them an excuse to beat up on you. But if they do violate your rights, by all means, sue them. Take them for all you can get. You’re going to need it to pay all the unnecessary expenses they’ve caused you.
This information is not legal advice. It is the best advice given by someone who was one of the child protector racket’s early victims, as well as having a son who was one of the more recent ones. A person who has studied the child protectors for many years and has noticed certain “patterns” in what they do in their scams and schemes. This report will be updated from time to time when I see new patterns. Read this manual, take it to heart, then ask your lawyer if you have any questions.
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